It amazes me how willing American Christians are to belittle Paganism and pre-Christian Europe generally. They will go to great lengths to attribute Europe's success to Middle Eastern theology and not to the European people themselves.
Fortunately, I don't think Christianity lives on too strongly in the core of the dissident American right. And secondly, I suspect Christian America is this way inclined because their country was founded by Christians whereas European dissidents seem much more tied to the old, the very old, world, whether they identify as Heathen or not.
I think a big part of it is that most Americans have not actually been to Europe. It’s a concept to them, something idealized but never seen and felt. Europe is presented in American media as a haughty rich people paradise that moralizes down to the plebs of the wider Anglo-sphere. It’s not remotely the reality, but if the understanding is only communicated through kosher Hollywood it’s going to present a distortion.
I wasn't personally involved, but I'll still say sorry on behalf of America for what we did to Europe. I'm sorry we elected Trump and have to cut Europe off now to save ourselves. I pray there is enough capital left in Europe for you all to rise from the ashes
I wasn't personally involved because I don't know a single person who belongs to the international global superelite. I don't share their power, money, or values. I'm glad we elected Trump and I was happy to see JD Vance tell European leaders to their faces that their contempt for free speech was not consistent with how democracy works. Someone had to tell them. Non-elite, ordinary Europeans have to push back against abuse of power from their corrupt rulers. American elites are not the only players in this game. Freedom is not some brash indulgence of vulgar Americans. It is a vital human right and a crucial part of human dignity.
Yes. It doesn't matter. It can't. We are actively being wiped out on purpose. Even as an American, I have protective feelings towards mich of Europe, especially the UK. I've read about my ancestors and literally not one drop of my blood is outside the UK. I care. I'd also like to offer an opinion. If native Europeans were ever going to try to fight for themselves, now would be the time. As in, during this presidency. If it's framed as native vs elite, citizens vs everyone else, I'm quite certain 90% certain, you'd get help from this administration.
Probably one of your best essays, I do feel there is a convergence to a basic American culture in language, accent, dress, and consumerism, that is happen almost everywhere, particularly among young people.
I reckon you could dramatically limit your use of commas. They're a plague upon this land. I despise commas. Feel like I'm being commanded to pause and draw breath when there's absolutely no need to. A big bag of full stops and 8 to 10 pints of bitter. That's all a real wigga needs.
Where is this dislike for Europeans coming from? In the past, before the internet, there was no platform for widespread public interaction with other people from around the world. My fellow Americans were roughly in two camps regarding Europe: on a mass scale most Americans seemed to be somewhat oblivious and ill-informed. Europe was a romantic place of cobblestone streets and castles, retro and quaint, but beyond that no further specific knowledge about the place. The other camp were the more educated Americans who usually had an admiration, a little more informed but also fawning and romantic. Europe was viewed as a reserve of tradition and culture. (In the late 19th and early 20th century wealthy Americans had Beaux-Arts palaces and homes, and many municipal buildings were built in a Neoclassical or French or Italian style. America before the 1920s was Eurocentric. The educational system was Eurocentric. The New World was a branch of the Old World.)
Then the internet came in the 1990s and ordinary Americans could engage in person-to-person communication with other people in countries that also had the internet (mostly other Western countries). That's when they encountered on a mass scale actual European attitudes and opinions which were belligerent and scornful toward America. The glamorous, cultured, romantic Europeans were in reality pissy, rude, and snotty. Not a good experience. I believe this is what's fueling the widespread American animosity toward Europeans.
As an American I'd say most of it started with Theodore Roosevelt. He led a large campaign against being a "hyphenated-American". And with the beginning of World War I it cemented groups like German-Americans being forced to anglicize
Anyone still spouting the ridiculous "at least you're not speaking German" is not on our team. I know right wing/MAGA in the US is a somewhat large tent, and the view of the US as hero in WWII has been heavily drilled in people's heads, but anyone saying America were the good guys in WWII after all the work done to debunk this is subversive.
Also your line about how America would be resented for its role in Europe's transformation had me rolling.
Yes, this is a great article. Ethnic Europeans should really stop the petty squabbles. I see so much rage between the two sides and not against our actual enemies.
My family has been in the USA, on all branches, for several generations. Few of my relatives, if any, align much with the kind of American being presented in many of the points in this essay.
In other words, and maybe necessarily for such an essay, what I see here an exercise in defining a Strawman American -- and probably a Strawman European. Those who are saying your treatment is fair to both sides is because you are generous of spirit and have your Strawmen place nice!
Useful points may still be had in this Strawman game, but it's a mistake to assume there is a specifically American type. Extrapolation based on a limited number of experiences can lead headlong into wrong conclusions. If views are mediated by "Hollywood" and the like (as you say yourself), the risk of mis-analysis gets all the worse.
Even if we limit it to Whites of European-Christian origin (the Jewish element in the US population does coarsen a lot of things; to say nothing of any sort of non-Whites): there are many different traditions, tending to yield many different types.
The influences on an individual American include the family-ethnic-ancestral, the religious, the regional, and the political. It might sound quaint -- but these things really DO produce different "types," with widely differing temperaments and attitudes not all of which might be readily apparent at surface-level. Some of these types may resemble the Strawman American apparently being dealt with here relatively more than others. Many "types" don't resemble that Strawman American type very much at all.
Importantly, I'd argue that the traditional ethnocultural-core tends not to resemble the Strawman American given here, I'd say, on at least many of the key points. The Strawman American type given here on SOME points at least, seems more a product of non-traditional elements, which generally begin arriving in the "Ellis Island immigration era" in the mid-1880s and become major population-element by the mid-1910s.
Immigration to the USA from Europe was largely cut-off between mid-1914 to late-1918, and recovered briefly while but under various defacto restrictions in 1919-1921, then was restricted by law in mid-1921, then was (famously) tightly restricted by a permanent law in 1924 (a toughening and making-permanent of the 1921 law; an affirming of the post-1914 defacto end of mass immigration in their time).
The traditional U.S. ethnocultural core was extremely happy with immigration-restrictionism in the early 1920s (and for decades thereafter). They kicked themselves that they hadn't gotten it done two or three decades earlier. What's funny is, the ethnocultural core's problems with the recent immigrant-stock resembled some of the criticisms in this essay made against the Strawman American!
When thinking of Europe and the problems on the continent, I try not to. "Looks like the Europeans are on the cusp of another continent-spanning war!", has been the zeitgeist from the continent for pretty much as long as I've been alive. When I served in the US Army, I watched veterans of Desert Storm shipping off for god-forsaken Bosnia to keep euros from killing euros. And now, we have the Slavic civil war next to Hungary threatening to engulf the continent... again. My Sicilian ancestors bailed on the place in 1912, and my Irish ancestors before that. I have no connections to that place. I would definitely not send my kids there to go fight whatever fight the euros have come up with for this half-century.
It amazes me how willing American Christians are to belittle Paganism and pre-Christian Europe generally. They will go to great lengths to attribute Europe's success to Middle Eastern theology and not to the European people themselves.
Fortunately, I don't think Christianity lives on too strongly in the core of the dissident American right. And secondly, I suspect Christian America is this way inclined because their country was founded by Christians whereas European dissidents seem much more tied to the old, the very old, world, whether they identify as Heathen or not.
I think a big part of it is that most Americans have not actually been to Europe. It’s a concept to them, something idealized but never seen and felt. Europe is presented in American media as a haughty rich people paradise that moralizes down to the plebs of the wider Anglo-sphere. It’s not remotely the reality, but if the understanding is only communicated through kosher Hollywood it’s going to present a distortion.
I wasn't personally involved, but I'll still say sorry on behalf of America for what we did to Europe. I'm sorry we elected Trump and have to cut Europe off now to save ourselves. I pray there is enough capital left in Europe for you all to rise from the ashes
I wasn't personally involved because I don't know a single person who belongs to the international global superelite. I don't share their power, money, or values. I'm glad we elected Trump and I was happy to see JD Vance tell European leaders to their faces that their contempt for free speech was not consistent with how democracy works. Someone had to tell them. Non-elite, ordinary Europeans have to push back against abuse of power from their corrupt rulers. American elites are not the only players in this game. Freedom is not some brash indulgence of vulgar Americans. It is a vital human right and a crucial part of human dignity.
Yes. It doesn't matter. It can't. We are actively being wiped out on purpose. Even as an American, I have protective feelings towards mich of Europe, especially the UK. I've read about my ancestors and literally not one drop of my blood is outside the UK. I care. I'd also like to offer an opinion. If native Europeans were ever going to try to fight for themselves, now would be the time. As in, during this presidency. If it's framed as native vs elite, citizens vs everyone else, I'm quite certain 90% certain, you'd get help from this administration.
Probably one of your best essays, I do feel there is a convergence to a basic American culture in language, accent, dress, and consumerism, that is happen almost everywhere, particularly among young people.
What about: Americans are disgustingly fat and slovenly, with their uniform of graphic t-shirts and cargo shorts? (This one is mostly true)
I reckon you could dramatically limit your use of commas. They're a plague upon this land. I despise commas. Feel like I'm being commanded to pause and draw breath when there's absolutely no need to. A big bag of full stops and 8 to 10 pints of bitter. That's all a real wigga needs.
Where is this dislike for Europeans coming from? In the past, before the internet, there was no platform for widespread public interaction with other people from around the world. My fellow Americans were roughly in two camps regarding Europe: on a mass scale most Americans seemed to be somewhat oblivious and ill-informed. Europe was a romantic place of cobblestone streets and castles, retro and quaint, but beyond that no further specific knowledge about the place. The other camp were the more educated Americans who usually had an admiration, a little more informed but also fawning and romantic. Europe was viewed as a reserve of tradition and culture. (In the late 19th and early 20th century wealthy Americans had Beaux-Arts palaces and homes, and many municipal buildings were built in a Neoclassical or French or Italian style. America before the 1920s was Eurocentric. The educational system was Eurocentric. The New World was a branch of the Old World.)
Then the internet came in the 1990s and ordinary Americans could engage in person-to-person communication with other people in countries that also had the internet (mostly other Western countries). That's when they encountered on a mass scale actual European attitudes and opinions which were belligerent and scornful toward America. The glamorous, cultured, romantic Europeans were in reality pissy, rude, and snotty. Not a good experience. I believe this is what's fueling the widespread American animosity toward Europeans.
As an American I'd say most of it started with Theodore Roosevelt. He led a large campaign against being a "hyphenated-American". And with the beginning of World War I it cemented groups like German-Americans being forced to anglicize
I definitely see Europe and America (and Canada, Australia, NZ) as together in this struggle to preserve ourselves.
America is materialistic AND Bible bashers?
Well I guess stereotypes don't have to make sense.
(And anyone who believes America is "uniquely" racist is showing their own lack of awareness of the world.)
>America is materialistic AND Bible bashers? Well I guess stereotypes don't have to make sense.
People can be outwardly religious and also materialistic; that's one of the identifying features of the Prosperity Gospel movement, for example.
Anyone still spouting the ridiculous "at least you're not speaking German" is not on our team. I know right wing/MAGA in the US is a somewhat large tent, and the view of the US as hero in WWII has been heavily drilled in people's heads, but anyone saying America were the good guys in WWII after all the work done to debunk this is subversive.
Also your line about how America would be resented for its role in Europe's transformation had me rolling.
Yes, this is a great article. Ethnic Europeans should really stop the petty squabbles. I see so much rage between the two sides and not against our actual enemies.
White unity at every opportunity. Europeans, especially the British are my distant cousins.
Do you think they will share the same feelings toward Americans?
I would hope so.
My family has been in the USA, on all branches, for several generations. Few of my relatives, if any, align much with the kind of American being presented in many of the points in this essay.
In other words, and maybe necessarily for such an essay, what I see here an exercise in defining a Strawman American -- and probably a Strawman European. Those who are saying your treatment is fair to both sides is because you are generous of spirit and have your Strawmen place nice!
Useful points may still be had in this Strawman game, but it's a mistake to assume there is a specifically American type. Extrapolation based on a limited number of experiences can lead headlong into wrong conclusions. If views are mediated by "Hollywood" and the like (as you say yourself), the risk of mis-analysis gets all the worse.
Even if we limit it to Whites of European-Christian origin (the Jewish element in the US population does coarsen a lot of things; to say nothing of any sort of non-Whites): there are many different traditions, tending to yield many different types.
The influences on an individual American include the family-ethnic-ancestral, the religious, the regional, and the political. It might sound quaint -- but these things really DO produce different "types," with widely differing temperaments and attitudes not all of which might be readily apparent at surface-level. Some of these types may resemble the Strawman American apparently being dealt with here relatively more than others. Many "types" don't resemble that Strawman American type very much at all.
Importantly, I'd argue that the traditional ethnocultural-core tends not to resemble the Strawman American given here, I'd say, on at least many of the key points. The Strawman American type given here on SOME points at least, seems more a product of non-traditional elements, which generally begin arriving in the "Ellis Island immigration era" in the mid-1880s and become major population-element by the mid-1910s.
Immigration to the USA from Europe was largely cut-off between mid-1914 to late-1918, and recovered briefly while but under various defacto restrictions in 1919-1921, then was restricted by law in mid-1921, then was (famously) tightly restricted by a permanent law in 1924 (a toughening and making-permanent of the 1921 law; an affirming of the post-1914 defacto end of mass immigration in their time).
The traditional U.S. ethnocultural core was extremely happy with immigration-restrictionism in the early 1920s (and for decades thereafter). They kicked themselves that they hadn't gotten it done two or three decades earlier. What's funny is, the ethnocultural core's problems with the recent immigrant-stock resembled some of the criticisms in this essay made against the Strawman American!
This was a great article and fair to both sides
When thinking of Europe and the problems on the continent, I try not to. "Looks like the Europeans are on the cusp of another continent-spanning war!", has been the zeitgeist from the continent for pretty much as long as I've been alive. When I served in the US Army, I watched veterans of Desert Storm shipping off for god-forsaken Bosnia to keep euros from killing euros. And now, we have the Slavic civil war next to Hungary threatening to engulf the continent... again. My Sicilian ancestors bailed on the place in 1912, and my Irish ancestors before that. I have no connections to that place. I would definitely not send my kids there to go fight whatever fight the euros have come up with for this half-century.